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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Women&amp;#39;s Lib was front and center in the Media when I was a
lad. It was the time of Germain Greer&amp;#39;s Female Eunuch and a ground swell of
interest arose supporting the girls getting a “fair go”.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In those days the girls generally got lower wages for
performing&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;the same job and it wasn&amp;#39;t
until Gough Whitlam became Prime Minister that this anomaly was addressed.
Unfortunately this &amp;quot;fair go&amp;quot; didn&amp;#39;t extend down to the poor piece
workers but at least the top end got a better deal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;These days the fire seems to have gone out of the equal
rights argument with most folk happy to just play along but I&amp;#39;m worried things
have actually gone backwards rather than simply marking time. I base
observation on &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;wait for it&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;- the Big Brother TV program.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Now before you flick to more mainstream comedy hear me out.
Love it or loath it, Big Brother does give an insight into how some of our kids
think. Regardless of the actual players in the show being representative or
not, the show drops out players based on the voting audience. If the pundits
are to believed, this is predominantly teenage girls.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Now take a look at who gets the boot. Every year it follows
a path of the guys getting their heads together and dominating the game until
the Producers modify the rules to evict the worse ones. Early on, the more self
assured girls get dumped out and the dizzy ones (often bottle blondes) sail
through.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I don&amp;#39;t know about your daughters, but the McCarthy girls
have been raised to reject the 2nd class citizen role. Dominant males are
regarded with the derision they deserve. These blokes are generally not
the brightest chaps you are ever going to meet too, so why would you allow them
to call the shots? My daughters are smarter than them anyway so by my lights,
these mental pygmies should be taking orders not giving them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: &amp;quot;Calibri&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;Maybe the pundits have it wrong. Maybe the votes
are coming from some good old fashioned mothers who cling to the &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;male as
head of the household&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; dogma. Either way, it&amp;#39;s a pretty poor situation
whoever is doing the voting and probably time for the Bra Burners to arc up and
stop the girls back sliding.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The desperate situation of the Libs continues despite a
small blip in Kevin 07&amp;#39;s popularity last week. Kevin down to something like 63%
while young Brendan was up to somewhere around 14%. If that’s the good news I&amp;#39;d
hate to see a bad news day for Dr Nelson.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I believe the cause of the change was the petrol tax&amp;#160; attack. Initially I wondered how the Voters might react to the Lib
campaign against the tax on petrol. I don&amp;#39;t blame them for trying to win some
support on the matter, it looked like easy points, but happily it has hardly had
a stunning result even though it appealed to our natural greediness.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I think the result is a reflection of why the Libs lost
power last time around and their mishandling of life in Opposition. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Last Election
is was bleeding obvious that the Libs had no idea how to deal with Global
Warming. For years Howard was a denier of the concept and when he finally
realised the Voters were concerned, he had Ministers like Nick Minchin still
stuck in the original rut. It also destroyed their claim to be economic
masterminds too. If you can&amp;#39;t come up with ideas in times of change then you really
aren&amp;#39;t up to the job and if you can&amp;#39;t understand that the changes are going to impact the Economy then you really have lost the plot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;On top of not having any idea of a plan for the future
economy, they have been getting strident over things of very little
consequence. Kevin&amp;#39;s trip to Japan, our requirement to suck up to America by
staying in Iraq, even our reaction to Robert Mugabe. Silly things that have no
interest to the everyday voter. It makes the Opposition look like folk who have
to disagree with everything as a matter of principal. Regardless of the merits
of the case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Labor actually learned about the self-defeating process of
always taking the opposite view in Victoria. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;They had to move John Brumby from the position
of Opposition Leader precisely because he came over too negative. Steve Bracks
took over and shocked Jeff Kennett at the very next Election. Kevin 07 showed
he had learned the lesson when he took over. He earned the label &amp;quot;Me
too&amp;quot; by agreeing with some Howard ideas that he actually agreed with.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;It&amp;#39;s quite amazing to see the party that applied wedge
politics so successfully has forgotten the rules so quickly, especially
considering quite a number of the original crew of &lt;strong style=&quot;&quot;&gt;the good ship Lost Cause &lt;/strong&gt;are still warming the Opposition benches. Both Brendan Nelson and Malcolm should both be aware of how to play the game but they seem distracted by their battles.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;It should make the next Federal Election a pretty easy for
Labor come election time. Unless they come up with some solutions to changing
the economy why would anyone even think about putting them back in power? Kevin
07 won by being an &lt;strong&gt;ideas man&lt;/strong&gt;. No one in Opposition can lay claim to that title.
Even Malcolm Turnball is bereft of ideas.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;As much as I am enjoying the intelligent style of Kevin 07,
I must admit to a bit of nervousness when I see the blooming of &lt;strong style=&quot;&quot;&gt;wowserism&lt;/strong&gt; of late. Now for those of you
overseas I guess I had better explain this excellent piece of Aussie slang. A
more recent term that has evolved recently is &lt;strong style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Fun Police&lt;/strong&gt; but the original term generally was applied to folk with
an inclination towards temperance coupled with the idea that everyone else
should be forced to follow their non-drinker lifestyle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;As you can imagine, these busybodies were treated to a good
deal of derision by the general populace in the thirsty climate of Oz but
persistence they have in spades. Once they realised they couldn&amp;#39;t convince folk
with the assistance of their Invisible Friend, they resorted to trying to force
a change via political pressure.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;These things go through cycles of course. We have had anti
grog movements before and can expect more over the coming decades, but we still
have to deal with these attitudes each time they pop up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I guess my main complaint is these folk always opt for
making it illegal to do something, then start jailing folk when the inevitable
happens. The current &amp;quot;war&amp;quot; on alcohol is a case in point. The problem
is underage kids getting drunk often. Some of the solutions are bizarre, doomed
to failure and encouraging folk to be comfortable with breaking the law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Worst suggestion so far has to be raising the drinking age
to 21. It currently stands at 18 Australia wide. Firstly, how does stopping a
20 year old drinking stop underage kids from breaking the law? The youngsters
are already breaking the law. Do they think they will stop if only older folk
can drink? All this rule change will produce is a bigger pool of kids breaking
the law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Lately we have had lots of new laws and increases in
penalties when something is not deterring bad behavior. This is one of my pet
hates. A law is introduced, people ignore it, hardly anyone is prosecuted then
they crank up the penalty. Another case in point. Speed limits through road
works. I obey these limits but plenty of folk don’t. I never see anyone
booked for breaching the limit and I think some folk don&amp;#39;t bother because so
many other folk ignore them. The Government solution was to bring in hoon laws
and impound vehicles. My solution would have been to set up speed cameras and
hit the hip pocket.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The result of the new rules is ignorant drivers are being
hit with a severe penalty that was supposed to just get the real dummies off
the road. On top of that we have another law that weakens the moral authority
of the government. And we weaken the social stigma of being classified as a hoon.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Up until my freshman year of college, I had never questioned religion or tradition. All I really did was go with the flow: listen to the preacher, listen to the teacher, listen to my father, etc. I was never very religious, though--I didn&amp;#39;t care too much for religion and belief. Nevertheless, after taking a religious studies course in my first year of college, I started to question religion, tradition, and, most important of all, I think, God. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God is no longer a reality to me. But when I first started to question God&amp;#39;s meaning, his power, and his reality, I was rather sad.&amp;#160;Now the way in which I see the world is false, I thought. Now all that has its foundation in God doesn&amp;#39;t work for me. What is the point of being moral? Because God says so? Because you must be a good, moral person in order to get into Heaven? No. There must be some other reason. God is meaningless to me. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I became an &amp;quot;atheist.&amp;quot; I read Dawkins and Harris and agreed with everything they said. Now that I look back on this time in my life, I was really desperate to find a way to make sense out of the world after having my theistic worldview crushed. But in searching, I became very dogmatic, like the Four Horsemen and most atheists. Once I got out of this intial dogmatic stage--although, I must say I still get back into it from time to time--I was ready to pursue something else, something meaningful and subjective but still in line with my atheistic worldview.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have found something that works for me--existentialism. But before I discovered existentialism, I found &lt;em&gt;The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality by Andre Comte-Sponville&lt;/em&gt;. This little book--it is actually little and only 206 pages long--gave me what I was really looking for--a type of atheistic spirituality.&amp;#160;If you are an atheist, and are looking for something more than just your typical atheism, I would definitely check out this little book. It is philosophical&amp;#160;in nature and very well written. I&amp;#39;m going to post&amp;#160;the&amp;#160;book&amp;#39;s introduction in my next blog post. &amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt; 
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: center&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Society is a dialectic phenomenon in that it is a human product, and nothing but a human product, that yet continuously acts back upon its producer. Society is a product of man. It has no other being except that which is bestowed upon it by human activity and consciousness. There can be no social reality apart from man. Yet it may also be stated that man is a product of society. Every individual biography is an episode within the history of society, which both precedes and survives it. Society was there before the individual was born and it will be there after he&amp;#160;has died. What is more, it is within society, and as a result of social processes, that the individual becomes a person, that he attains and holds onto an identity, and that he carries out the various projects that constitute his life. Man cannot exist apart from society. The two statements, that society is the product of man and that man is the product of society are not contradictory. They rather reflect the inherently dialectic character of the societal phenomenon. Only if his character is recognized will society be understood in terms that are adequate to its empirical&amp;#160;reality. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: center&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;Peter Berger, &lt;em&gt;The Sacred Canopy&amp;#160;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;Lately, I&amp;#39;ve been thinking about how society directly influences our worldviews, experiences, and life. My thoughts reminded me of Peter Berger&amp;#39;s societal cycle, which I find to be pretty interesting. Berger&amp;#39;s cycle consists of three moments: externalization, objectivation, and internalization. Externalization, as defined by Berger, is &amp;quot;the ongoing outpouring of human being into the world, both in the physical and the mental activity of men.&amp;quot; Objectivation is &amp;quot;the attainment by the products of this activity (again both physical and mental) of a reality that confronts its original producers as a facticity external to and other than themselves. Further, internalization is &amp;quot;the reappropiation by men of this same reality, transforming it once again from structures of the objective world into structures of the subjective consciousness.&amp;quot; After defining these terms, Berger states, &amp;quot;It is through externalization that society is a human product. It is through objectivation that society becomes a reality &lt;em&gt;sui generis&lt;/em&gt;. It is through internalization that man is a product of society.&amp;quot; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;Pretty interesting, eh? Essentially, what we do as human beings is create a society in which we can live in, tell everyone what society is, and then have everyone internalize this definition of society. Now, I&amp;#39;m particularly interested in how society shapes our thoughts, particularly our spiritual and religious thought.&amp;#160;My thought cycle is basically an adaption of Berger&amp;#39;s cycle, but what&amp;#160;I&amp;#39;m attempting to describe really isn&amp;#39;t a cycle. Instead, it is more of a description of three thought stages: &amp;quot;what is&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;this is&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;it is&amp;quot;.&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;For the better half of our lives, we are constantly told &amp;quot;what is.&amp;quot; With regards to spiritual and religious thought, we are told what God is, what Jesus is, what&amp;#160;Truth is, what&amp;#160;morality is, what&amp;#160;death is, what life is, purpose is. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;Next, because of our innate tendencies to trust&amp;#160;our parents, and our tendencies to submit to religious and non-religious&amp;#160;authority, we start to tells ourselves, and others, &amp;quot;this is&amp;quot;: This is God, this is Truth, this is life, this is purpose, etc. In this stage, we are simply restating what we have been told. In this stage, we may not even understand what God is, what&amp;#160;Truth is, or what&amp;#160;purpose is, nevertheless, we still affirm that God is this.&amp;#160;This downfall applies to the non-believer as well. We are told by the Four Horsemen in the &amp;quot;what is&amp;quot; stage why God doesn&amp;#39;t exist and why religion is utterly evil. We are given arguments upon arguments, whether sound or not, to debate with, even though, arguably, many atheists don&amp;#39;t even know what they hell they are talking about: some of us don&amp;#39;t care to really think and challenge the&amp;#160;Four Horsemen&amp;#39;s positions and arguments, some of which are&amp;#160;simply&amp;#160;dogmatic and close to propaganda. It is in the &amp;quot;this is&amp;quot; stage that the non-believer&amp;#160;finds him or her self reciting what he or she has been told.&amp;#160;Ultimately, in this stage, the authority of&amp;#160;others,&amp;#160;&amp;quot;objectivity,&amp;quot;&amp;#160;in this stage, robs us of our abilities to think and our subjective experiences. Consequentially, this stage is dogmatic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;Lastly, the third stage is the &amp;quot;it is&amp;quot;&amp;#160;stage. This is the stage in which the individual decides for his or her self&amp;#160;what &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; is. In this stage, using our subjective experiences and thoughts, we determine, for ourselves, what God is, what life is, what purpose is, etc. This stage caters to the individual; it is subjective, thus our thoughts are subjective in nature,&amp;#160;as all important and meaningful&amp;#160;thoughts should be, in my opinion. It is in this stage that the individual takes responsibility for his or her actions, life, purpose, meaning, spirituality, religion, etc. Everything relies on the individual.&amp;#160; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;FONT-SIZE: 1.25em&quot;&gt;So, I&amp;#39;m not exactly sure if&amp;#160;any of what I just said makes any sense or&amp;#160;accurately describes reality. Basically, I was thinking out loud in this one :) I&amp;#39;d be happy to hear your thoughts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times new roman, times new roman, serif&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium; font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;I
anyone in Voxland didn&amp;#39;t know my belief in Deism is the number one
all encompassing driving factor in my life, therefore, I couldn&amp;#39;t
resist but sharing this very short passage (taken from The World
Union of Deists) that outlines the relationship between Deism and
Death. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000&quot;&gt;“&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times new roman, times new roman, serif&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium; font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;The
fear of death is a big motivator for many people to support a
particular religion. We all know, without the possibility of doubt,
that a day will come for absolutely all of us when we will die. This
realization brings fear to many people. It also brings money to
religious charlatans who aren&amp;#39;t ashamed to prey on this fear. In
fact, it can be truthfully said that the revealed religions of the
world all use the fear of death to put cash in their own pockets. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: left; margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times new roman, serif&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times new roman, times new roman, serif&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium; font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;Contrary
to this self-serving attitude of the revealed religions, Deism
teaches that no one knows for certain what happens after death, if
anything at all. It teaches that, based on the creation we are all a
part of, we shouldn&amp;#39;t worry about it. That instead, we should be
concerned for the present and future of planet Earth and humanity.
That we should work hard to improve life and also enjoy it here and
now. Why should we worry about death when we have so much to do in
life? And do we think so little of Nature&amp;#39;s God that we don&amp;#39;t trust
Him with our future?”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I must be losing my edge. I certainly haven’t been keeping
up with Plonka’s blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://plonkasblog.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;Plonka&amp;#39;s excellent blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I was horrified to discover my patronage of Gloria Jean’s coffees
has had me help fund those shifty Hillsong Christians. The very same folk who
have resorted to exorcisms for troubled teens and pinched their $200 to boot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;They have also been part of the Howard initiative to bury
Evangelists in Australian schools in preference to qualified social workers.
Something Howard promised to not to do to secure the legislations passage
through the Senate. The plan was supposed to provide priests and no membership drives to be allowed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;To think I have sold my soul to a 5&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; column Christian
organisation for a free coffee every dozen cups is quite depressing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Aussie company or not. I certainly won’t be funding such a
dishonest company in future.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;While travelling around Oz we have seen a number of vans
with names on them. It’s just a way of marking out your territory and showing
your fellow travellers where you are coming from. One such label really
impressed me recently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Free Radicals. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;It has a nice ring to it, I think. A little bit of Science,
a touch of politics and a mission statement to boot. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Now some folk travel and simply ignore current events which
is probably good for the blood pressure but does rather avoid our responsibilities
to society. At a meal recently I was hit with that old chestnut “&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc0000&quot;&gt;&lt;strong style=&quot;&quot;&gt;I didn’t vote because both sides are the
same&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;”. This is a cheap throwaway line that annoys me no end. It’s
thoughtless. It’s lazy. It’s usually meant as the definitive answer. It’s often
made by someone whose preferred side lost. And quite simply, &lt;strong&gt;wrong&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But more than that. At its hub it holds the death of
Democracy as we now practice it. It discourages participation in the political
process and ultimately removes performance requirements from your local
representatives. No matter who you prefer to be holding the reins of
government, you must let them know what you think. To not do this means you
agree with the party line. How else is your local pollie going to know what you
want?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In Australia under the previous government we had the
automatic jailing of the children of folk seeking asylum. It lasted until
Liberal members got so wound up that changes were made against the wishes of
the Prime Minister himself. But it took time. Had more folk bothered to start
writing to their local member earlier, the process would have been defeated earlier.
It’s simply a matter of getting the numbers. (and having enough brains to look beyond
the spin in the first place)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The same happened with fighting in Vietnam. When the outrage
gets loud enough you can get a result but you have to keep your pollies up to
the mark or throw them out in a civilised process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Thankfully this comment was made by an older person rather
than a younger one and that usually means that it will be ignored by the kids,
but let’s hope our kids don’t fall foul of this cynicism. &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;We need to participate to get a responsive
government and our government needs to engage us to keep the interest up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The alternative is a growing disconnect that eventually
leads to revolution when a charismatic leader emerges without the patience to
play the game.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So I’ll be sticking with keeping up with current events and
letting pollies know how I feel even though I’m on the road. The same goes with
the &lt;strong&gt;blog &lt;/strong&gt;and &lt;strong style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Letters to the Editor&lt;/strong&gt;. It’s
good to discus and revise opinions and hopefully get others motivated too.
Either for or against your own view.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I don’t have a name for the van yet and pinching Free
Radical seems unethical so I’ll have to come up with something new. In any case
I’d be pretty disappointed if participating in the political process is
regarded as radical. It should be as normal as the common cold.&lt;/p&gt;

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            <description>    &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;But
why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day
it&amp;#39;s gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I
mean, it&amp;#39;s, it&amp;#39;s not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind
on something like that?&amp;quot; : &lt;strong&gt;Barbara Bush&lt;/strong&gt; on ABC - Good Morning America, March 18, 2003&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;=&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;#160;...
No &amp;quot;terrorist&amp;quot; gene is known to exist or is likely to be found...
Surely the(y), and their supporters were afflicted by something that
caused their metamorphosis from normal human beings capable of
gentleness and affection into desperate, maddened, fiends with nothing
but murder in their hearts and minds. What was that? Simple logic says
that we must go to the roots of terror. Only a fool can believe that
the services of a suicidal terrorist can be purchased, or that they can
be bred at will anywhere: &lt;strong&gt;Ouch Borith&lt;/strong&gt;: Permanent Representative Of The Kingdom Of Cambodia To The UN: 10/03/2001&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small; color: #000000; font-family: verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;&quot;&gt;=&lt;br /&gt;The
problems of this world are so gigantic that some are paralysed by their
own uncertainty. Courage and wisdom are needed to reach out above this
sense of helplessness. Desire for vengeance against deeds of hatred
offers no solution. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. If we wish
to choose the other path, we will have to search for ways to break the
spiral of animosity. To fight evil one must also recognize one&amp;#39;s own
responsibility. The values for which we stand must be expressed in the
way we think of, and how we deal with, our fellow humans: - From the
Christmas Message 2001 of &lt;strong&gt;HM Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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